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The Billy Wolfe story is gaining momentum faster than the Cuban black beans and rice dinner that’s making its way through my insides this evening.
Just do a quick Google blog search for “billy wolfe bully” and you’ll see what I mean.
And if that’s not enough to convince you, according to NWAnews.com, it’s about to get even crazier starting tomorrow morning. “Billy Wolfe; his mother, Penney; and their attorney, Westbrook Doss; are scheduled to fly to New York City today for appearances on NBC’s “Today,” CNN and ABC’s prime-time news show,” 20 / 20,” The story is airing Wednesday morning on “Today” and Wednesday afternoon on CNN. It’s not clear when “20 / 20″ will air its report.
The stories are sure to paint a pretty terrible picture of our town but from what one local student’s mother has to say, Wolfe’s side of the story is far from all there is to know. “I talked to (my son) today and asked him about it all. (My son) has known this kid since Woodland days and even though (my son) is a year older, knows all about him,” said the e-mailer (who will remain anonymous). “Billy kicked a kid’s cat so hard that it died, this caused one of his fights, then another time went up to a boy whose Mother had just died and said HA Ha I have a mom and you don’t,” said the mother.
Of course, rumors can circulate quickly so all of this has to be taken with a grain of salt. However, it’s becoming more apparent that there are most definitely two sides to this story.
Here’s hoping that the national media is interested more in the truth than “good TV.”
Cowboys + Jones = True Love Forever
Mar 25th, 2008
Aren’t there actually 3 sides to every story? Person A, Person B, and The Truth. Unless you are talking about Carl “The Truth” Williams…a badass heavyweight fighter who once knocked out Mike Tyson…back when Tyson was good…in that case, there is only one side to the story.
Mar 25th, 2008
I talked to one of my friends in the same class class as him and she said that he brings it upon himself. I don’t know the situation very well but when I was at FHS I remember seeing one fight in all of the three years, and that was between friends.
I agree with one bit of one of the quotes on nwanews.com, though: Fayetteville does have some sorry excuses for administrators.
Mar 26th, 2008
The media will certainly over exaggerate the story to sell it in their infotainment, but the capital “T” Truth is this matter is we have trouble in our schools. When you speak out in the school, you get blacklisted by the administration. I know it first hand. Is the Wolfe story unique to Fayetteville? Absolutely not. It happens everywhere. But when the administration is so completely dismissive of its patrons, hears only the voices that sooth and promote, and takes action only to squelch dissent — well, that’s the school district that ends up on 20/20 because they’ve torqued off the masses.
Mar 26th, 2008
What is wrong with some of the people making comments: it is NEVER okay to be the first to lay your hands on someone else in anger!!! Especially if you are responding to words. I am sorry that some of you are more upset that your town might “look bad” to the nation instead of being upset about a school district not physically protecting all of their students. I think this speaks highly of some (but not all) of the towns people’s values.
I am also really tired of blaming the victim. Billy had “it coming” right? Do you know Billy personally? Do you know what he has gone through all these years? No. You take the word of a fellow student at the school who stands by while knowing Billy gets tormented? Sure… The fellow student seems of high moral character. Those comments of the fellow student are not new, that is what a lot of Germans back in WWII thought when Hitler killed millions of Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, etc.
If Billy does make a negative comment here and there, do you think it might be related to the YEARS of bullying he received and the school district turning a blind eye? Do you expect the young man to be mute and docile while he gets his butt kicked? Perhaps, Billy should help the bullies by holding their books while they punch his face? Sure.
Oh and one more thing: I am normally appose to frivolous law-suits, but in this case the bullies and the school district deserve the charges. Maybe it will shake them up to their cores, that bullying is NOT and NEVER acceptable.
Mar 26th, 2008
Janice - how do you know who is telling the truth? I have a child who is a classmate of Billy’s and tells a different story. I take what my child says with a grain of salt. But more stories are coming out from the other side starting with how Billy would act in elementary school.
The child who lost his mother, who Billy got in a fight with, is not a Nazi. So please let’s not go there. Maybe he should have thought of something else to do besides punch him gone to a teacher. Yes there are other options, but according to my son the student involved in the shop class incident is not a bully, far from it.
Mar 26th, 2008
Kristen…the point that Janice what I believe Janice is trying to make is that even if Billy does do something to encourage his classmates to strike him it is still wrong. If I said you smelled funny and you hit me for that…that is wrong. That’s the point.
Mar 26th, 2008
Janice, I think that it is fine if people are a little embarrassed about the way this makes our community look, especially when a lot of us see Fayetteville and NWA as progressive compared to the rest of the state. Arkansas always gets dogged on by the media, so here’s more meat for the stew. It makes a lot of sense if you think about it.
Mar 26th, 2008
it’s commen knowledge that Arkansas folks is all drunken hillbillys in pickem-up trucks. I didnt hear about the cop tazering cows.
Fayetteville is progressive? thats hilarious.
Mar 26th, 2008
The comments made by the fellow student are nothing like the propaganda sent out by Hitler. The fellow student is not trying to run the school with smear tactics, hoping that other students will fall in behind him or die in a gas chamber. The comments made by the fellow student were actual happenings and yes, I do know they were true events, and yes the fellow student is of HIGH moral character, but this is besides the point. All kids are teased, picked on and bullied. It is not fair and it hurts. However, this type of activity can be found all over, not just in the classroom. All of us perpetuate the activity. I agree it is not right - but to compare this situation to Hitler/WWII…come on.
Mar 26th, 2008
First off, bullying is wrong.
I have never punched a person in the face in my life…if someone made fun of my recently deceased mother I might. If someone kicked my cat so hard it died , I might. I don’t understand how people can be so dismissive to the possible other side of the story.
Janice - Do YOU know Billy personally? How can you even remotely think about bringing up The Holocaust in reference to another students account of a situation!? “Those comments of the fellow student are not new, that is what a lot of Germans back in WWII thought when Hitler killed millions of Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, etc.” Any credibility your post had is lost after making such an asinine statement.
I personally find the lack of investigation into both sides of this story appalling. It is my opinion that nobody walks up to someone in the middle of class sitting at their desk and hits them with an “unprovoked punch in the jaw.” Consider their motivation, it is a classroom, you would know you’re going to get caught. Hypothetically if this kids mother had just died, and Billy did just make fun her death to his face…what would YOU do as a school administrator given that situation?
Mar 26th, 2008
My comments regarding Hitler doesn’t mean I believe the student making the allegations is an actual Nazi. But I am talking about the rationale behind blaming the victim (e.g. homosexuals in WWII “had it coming” because they were immoral). (P.S. Some people understand my underlining argument, like Matt.)
I find *disturbing* the rationale to defend the attackers and bystanders in so many of the follow up posts (that means you Kristen and Rdog). MAKING NEGATIVE COMMENTS ARE NOT AN EXCUSE FOR PEOPLE TO LAY A HAND IN ANGER! IT IS ASSAULT AND AGAINST THE LAW! To steal a quote from Rdog: “However, this type of activity can be found all over, not just in the classroom. All of us perpetuate the activity.” Uh, I don’t. I know a lot of people who don’t attack or bully people. But I now see where (some of) these young adults, that are Billy’s classmates, get there distorted viewpoint to attack based on words: from their parents.
Suggestion to the townspeople who are so outraged by my comments: don’t defend the actions of the attackers, don’t defend the response of the school board. TRY to fix the situation.
Mar 26th, 2008
To respond to “aquachong”
I think you state it best when you wrote in your comment: “It is my opinion…”
See, I too have an opinion. I didn’t realize I could not voice it here, in this public forum. Thank you so much for that little life lesson. I would write more, but it would be my opinion and well, that clearly offends you.
Mar 26th, 2008
Janice,
Your opinion in no way offends me.
Your dimwitted remark about The Holocaust does.
Mar 26th, 2008
Dear Aquachong:
This is my last comment directed towards you, because you are not the topic of this post.
Thanks for the feedback. I will cherish the well-meaning advice as I move forward through life.
Mar 26th, 2008
unbelievable. Can’t you see the issue is that premeditated violence is unacceptable? That colluding (look it up) to ruin a young man’s life is wicked? Physical violence is not something anyone should have to “deal with.” What is with you people that you blame the victim here? Was being knocked unconscious not enough for you?
A.Y.
Mar 26th, 2008
MSNBC link about his appearance on the Today Show:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/23807702/from/ET/
Mar 26th, 2008
The part of Janice’s comments that upsets me is the Nazi thing. I don’t condone violence, but remember young boys don’t always think clearly when their dead mothers are being insulted. So while not excusing him, I can sort of understand. Yes, kids should always bring it to the attention of the adult in charge.
By the way the young man from the wood shop incident is from Germany and the comment from Billy was supposed to (and I wasn’t there to hear it) have referenced her nationality in a not too flattering way - that I can not repeat. My son knows this young man who got into the fight with Billy, and he may have been a kid who got into a fight one day, but he is not a bully.
I just think we like should reserve the Nazi comment for things like Darfur, Rwanda -
The kids from Fayetteville are starting to speak out and I caution them not to use their names on the internet, for their own safety - I have yet to read any comments from Billy’s friends. Hopefully both sides will speakout and we will find the truth somewhere in the middle.
Mar 26th, 2008
So to paraphrase. . .a young man was knocked unconscious, the school district did essentially nothing. . .but you can understand. Great. Congratulations on your amazing empathy.
Can you imagine trying to go to school again after that? Or after you’re waiting at the school bus stop and a kid jumps out of a car to knock you around? Oh - and someone had the prescience to video the assault so that the local kids could get their jollies later.
But I’m sure the assailant had a valid reason that you’d understand.
Well done. You’re a real humanitarian.
Mar 26th, 2008
Some of you are arguing about a topic (the kid making fun of another’s dead mother) that cannot be proved fact or fiction. The point is, it is NEVER ok to hit another person. Especially several people hitting one person. How are you justifying these actions?
Mar 26th, 2008
Some of you are arguing about a topic (the kid making fun of another’s dead mother) that cannot be proved fact or fiction. The point is, it is NEVER ok to hit another person. Especially several people hitting one person. How are you justifying these actions?
Exactly. Precisely. QED.
-C
Mar 26th, 2008
Kristen:
I am sorry I used the Nazi reference (because it took the attention away from the main topic of this thread). I am even more sorry that you can’t understand the argument I was making.
It is clear you don’t understand what is going on. Especially when you write “I don’t condone violence” only to follow “I can sort of understand” (in the same sentence!!!)
You also cite one example of violence against Billy. What about the others? Where those all justified as well? Again, WORDS ARE NOT AN EXCUSE FOR PHYSICAL ASSAULT!
Also, Kristen, where is your sympathy for Billy when he had all those comments on the Internet and Facebook page created to “hate” on him? People wrote on those sites how they say his face get beaten in and “how funny” that was. As AngusY pointed out, what about having Billy’s attack videotaped on a cell phone to be watched over and over again for entertainment value? (Remember, the person taping was a friend of the attacker not Billy’s). Your sympathy is one sided. My sympathy comes off as one sided (although I do believe there are multiple sides to this story) but I DON’T CONDONE VIOLENCE when words are the cause.
Mar 26th, 2008
No, I just know that there are those who think the bullying and picking on are not one sided.
Is it ok to insult someone’s dead mother - and really if it is true it was really, really bad. You don’t have to look far to find kids speaking out about this -
I am just saying that there seems to be more to it. I really want the total truth to come out. I hope the kids who know Billy and are his friends will also add to my understand. I just haven’t heard them join the discussion yet. I am sure they will.
As the parent of 4 Fayetteville school kids - I just want some clarity.
Mar 26th, 2008
I would like to do some bullying today. Janice, I think you are an idiot, and if I had you here in front of me, I would hit you in the face hole.
Mar 26th, 2008
Here’s something interesting. Drudge has a page dedicated to this story and it looks like a few of Billy’s peers are chiming in with their take on the situation.
For example: “In response to the previous comment yes I’m the guy in the wheelchair but not mentally retarded. Yes that was my cat the he killed, not only that, he picked on me for being the way I am. I have cerebral palsy (CP), I live across the street from the kid, I’ve been in school with him since 4th grade. There have been too many incidents (bullying) with him, that I could not name all of them. The person who wrote the previous respone is right, most of you don’t even know this kid, you’ve just read the lies that he and his mother are telling. You haven’t even heard or listened to Teeter’s side or the rest of the people that he’s provoked fights with, the list is endless. So before commenting make sure you know both sides (the real bully)”
Read the rest of the comments here.
Mar 26th, 2008
Rdog - they have a right to their opinion - and I could feel that way if I wasn’t getting information from my son and his friends.
to the rest of you -
That Facebook page was awful, my kids would never see the light of day if they did something like that - kids who fight should get suspended no problem.
However, I guess because my son has stories and his friends have stories of first hand experience from Elementary School on in dealing with Billy, I really want to know more. I have heard awful stuff on both sides.
Again - hopefully we will figure out where the truth lies.
Mar 26th, 2008
We are arguing whether or not the words of Billy were right or not, whether he instigated the confrontations. The truth is none of us (including me) really knows what Billy said or did. (Incidentally, if everyone knew that Billy was such a “problem” the school would have placed him in a “special” program.) This should also NOT be the focus of the argument.
Let’s focus on what we do know. We know that Billy is being *physically* assaulted, not once but multiple times. We know that he was accused for an attack against him on a school bus, only to show days later (thanks to the videotape) that he was the victim. We know he was jumped at a school bus stop with his sister. DON’T JUSTIFY PHYSICAL VIOLENCE because Billy might have said something inappropriate (which we don’t know)!
Kristen: I am no longer going to respond to your comments: You don’t get it. I hope that your children learn from others that violence is not the answer. That lesson can’t be learned from you, because you clearly can understand and condone it.
Mar 26th, 2008
Rdog - I am impressed by your ability to type, particularly as you plainly don’t possess opposable thumbs.
-AY
Mar 26th, 2008
Rdog, that’s not nice. And nobody said the kid got what he deserved, there are just some of us who feel the media aren’t even making an attempt at telling the whole story, they’re just taking whatever this family says as the truth because it makes a good story.
Mar 26th, 2008
AngusY - Did you just practice a little bully action?? Congrats for joining the team.
Mar 26th, 2008
As far as Billy and the bullies go, there really doesn’t seem to be enough information to take a side.
As for the issue that violence is never the answer, I am of the opinion that this idea streches too far a range of possibiltes to be agreed with. I am not a violent person, and haven’t been involved in anything that you could classify as a fight since I was 12 or something, but I can imagine times when fighting could be an option, a final option. Violence should not be the intial response used for conflict resolution, but it is undeniable that there are times when a person has exhauted all other avenues and all there is left is to fight somebody. I would never teach my children that fighting is THE answer, but I will left them know, that as a last resort, it is AN answer.
Mar 26th, 2008
In response to Jones’ “but I will left them know, that as a last resort, it is AN answer”.
Unless your children are fighting for their life (e.g. physically defending yourself from an attack by an abuser), violence is rarely justifiable. If you are stating that it is okay outside the extreme reason listed above, then I can almost predict you will be visiting your children in jail at one point or another in their lives.
Mar 26th, 2008
Janice, do you have children? If yes, do they go to school, out in the world, have friends, friends that were good friends then not so good friends then friends again? OR are your children straight up saints we need to buy on a pendant?
Mar 26th, 2008
Rdog- I don’t believe kids are saints: They can be cruel with their words (e.g. teasing) and they can be cruel with their actions (e.g. cliques). But is that an excuse for children or young adults to engage in physical violence? If so, then everyone growing up would have been in at least one physical fight. Yet, most of us have not.
The truth is that the majority of children and young adults, including those at Billy’s school, do NOT engage in that behavior. Yet, when it does occur, adults should not make an excuse, turn a blind eye, or say “kids will be kids”. Violence is unacceptable. It is a shame so many of you refuse to understand that, instead make excuses for it.
I understand the town is not getting the national attention it wants, but it needs to address this issue without worrying what it will look like to the public.
Mar 26th, 2008
I think Jones was trying to say never say never and I agree.
When I went to school when kids were fighting both kids got suspended. Seemed like the right way to go to me.
More than anything I am thankful no one has brought a gun to school to correct the situation themselves.
Mar 26th, 2008
Janice, you seem to be a protagonist, in my opinion. Would also like to see the stats on your comment: “Yet, most of us have not.” Once a person is of an age to understand right from wrong - I agree - violence is not a good answer, but sometimes it is an answer. Ask President Bush.
I don’t think Fayetteville needs national attention and I don’t think how it will look to the public is an issue. The issue is acceptance. That is a hard quality for young adults to develop, and yes even hard for adults, just read this comment board. I am out - getting a life and accepting all others. Good luck to you Janice, it’s been fun.
Mar 26th, 2008
Janice, me thinks you’re retarted.
Mar 26th, 2008
I wouldn’t say that, but it does seem to me that Janice has “a dog in the fight.”
Mar 26th, 2008
Rdog- Don’t get me started with President Bush. :)
I refer to an earlier statement of mine: Unless your children are fighting for their life (e.g. physically defending yourself from an attack by an abuser), violence is rarely justifiable.
As someone who is a young, female Hispanic growing up in the U.S., I know words can cut deep, but I have not engaged in physical violence. None of my friends have engaged in a physical fight either. If resorting to physical violence was so commonplace in mainstream America, this story would not be so newsworthy.
Mar 26th, 2008
Dear janiceh8tr: Thanks for the comment! I am sure you are awesome too. I bet you can count all the way to potato without any help. Good for you!
Mar 26th, 2008
One thing is for sure…this kind of coverage is going to totally get billy laid.
Mar 26th, 2008
janice…
seriously. potato? i can count past potato and all the way to bitch… all by myself. shazaammmmmm..
really though…get a life Janice.
Mar 26th, 2008
janiceh8tr:
Did I offend you with my comment? Wow, certainly didn’t mean to. I sincerely apologize. Hopefully you won’t kick my ass because I said something you disagreed with.
By the way, if you have to add a “shazam” to your own “comeback” then it is not much of a comeback. Really though.
Mar 26th, 2008
steve hall needs to learn how to spell and use proper verb tense.
Mar 26th, 2008
This is priceless.
Mar 26th, 2008
I think Janice wins the “Most Defensive Commenting In One Day” award. You did it, Janice! Take a break and get a beer.
Mar 26th, 2008
thanks to the almighty for weighing in.
Awesome — God reads the flyer.
Mar 26th, 2008
I had given up on Janice, because she gave up on me - sigh - We all need to calm down. But I do want to reassure Janice - my kids have never been suspended from school for fighting - and they are not violent kids. So I have maybe passed parenting 101.
That is why I have to at least listen to their side of the story. They have been trustworthy in the past.
Janice enjoy your beer.
Mar 26th, 2008
Is Janice the victim’s mom or something??
Mar 26th, 2008
Reading Janice’s comments and everyone else’s is fun. Janice clearly got some of you worked up, otherwise you wouldn’t have responded back to her so much. Delicious.
Mar 26th, 2008
and here are the highlights:
“It began years ago when a boy called the house and asked Billy if he wanted to buy a certain sex toy, heh-heh. Billy told his mother, who informed the boy’s mother. The next day the boy showed Billy a list with the names of 20 boys who wanted to beat Billy up.”
“Things got worse. At Woodland Junior High School, some boys in a wood shop class goaded a bigger boy into believing that Billy had been talking trash about his mother. Billy, busy building a miniature house, didn’t see it coming: the boy hit him so hard in the left cheek that he briefly lost consciousness.”
“Ms. Wolfe remembers the family dentist sewing up the inside of Billy’s cheek, and a school official refusing to call the police, saying it looked like Billy got what he deserved. Most of all, she remembers the sight of her son.”
“Not long after, a boy on the school bus pummeled Billy, but somehow Billy was the one suspended, despite his pleas that the bus’s security camera would prove his innocence. Days later, Ms. Wolfe recalls, the principal summoned her, presented a box of tissues, and played the bus video that clearly showed Billy was telling the truth.”
Mar 26th, 2008
I was never a very big kid. I was kinda like this kid as a freshman, little taller than most and pretty lanky. I had big old “we dont have much money” glasses to boot! EVERY DAMN day i had to put up with some kinda indignity and it was playing total hell with my self-esteem. So one day the boiling point hit. Literally. I was sitting in gym class just talking with the one girl that WOULD sit and talk with me when out of no where this one bully(bigest of them too) a senior named Blake K**** Threw a god damned basket ball at my face. The coach didnt do shit even through it had broke my glasses and bloodied my nose and given me a black eye. That was it for me. After gym class in the locked room I LAID INTO BLAKE WITH STOOL FORM THE COACHES OFFICE 4 times. really hard!!! Everyone was shock, I was crying and screaming for a answer: “WHAT THE @&#! DID I EVER DO TO YOU!!!” Coach asked my what the hell i thought i was doing, my answer: “Defending my self cause you wont. And if i have to I will find a way to cripple the whole fucking basket ball team to wake you up asshole.” Blake went to the hospital with 3 broken ribs, a fractured wrist and had to have his jaw wired shut for 3 months. I felt good that day, and the bullying stopped. No body gave me any crap anymore. People have to be taught to stand up for themselves in HS, cause lord knows the teachers(well nurses anymore) wont tell you to stand up for yourself.
The school tried to suspend me but to many of my fellow students stood up and said “he had it commin” in so many words and would not come to school for as long as i was suspended. Never knew I had so many friends till i stood up to the fuck hole. His family tried to sue, but they decided not to when we filed a counter suite saying I was basically driven to it through hi unyielding cruelty. and i had more witnesses than he did.
So my advise to Billy: sucker bunch them bullies with something heavy when they aint looking. And hittem hard enough they stay down and remember it everytime the look in the mirror.
Mar 26th, 2008
You people who scoff at billy offer hearsay and conjecture, neither will win in a court battle. Billy has hard video evidence on his side, that will win. So you need to either come up with something tangible or stop the charade. We have several cell phone vids you have nothing.
Mar 26th, 2008
In ninth grade, a couple of the same boys started a Facebook page called “Every One That Hates Billy Wolfe.” It featured a photograph of Billy’s face superimposed over a likeness of Peter Pan, and provided this description of its purpose: “There is no reason anyone should like billy he’s a little bitch. And a homosexual that NO ONE LIKES.”
I hope the parent of these boys are beaming with pride.
Mar 26th, 2008
the more I dig into this story the more i feel really bad for this kid
Mar 26th, 2008
According to Alan Wilbourn, a spokesman for the school district, the principal notified the parents of the students involved after Ms. Wolfe complained, and the parents — whom he described as “horrified”(that their little angels got caught) — took steps to have the page taken down.
Not long afterward, a student in Spanish class punched Billy so hard that when he came to, his braces were caught on the inside of his cheek. WTF is wrong with your kids?
Mar 26th, 2008
A decade ago a Fayetteville student was mercilessly harassed and beaten for being gay. you guys are real class acts in Fayetteville
Mar 26th, 2008
so what now you all dont have anything to say when some one with more than a opinion holds the mirror up?
Mar 26th, 2008
As for this CP kid and the cat. As of right now thats just a story. I wanna see the CP kid on TV telling that story. Then i may give it credit. till then, no video, no witness going on TV = no credibility. That would be a compelling counter argument, if it were true and told to the media. And then ofcorse verified.
Mar 26th, 2008
GotTruth- are you wasted? I can’t figure out what you are talking about.
Mar 26th, 2008
Well steve the fact that you cant figure out that i am talking about systematic harassment of a student by other students is not surprising.
I should have clarified that my 2nd post on here IS MY OWN story of being harassed and bullied in my hometown Highschool. For that i do apologize.
Mar 26th, 2008
GotTruth.
It’s called sarcasm. That sort of response happens when you post nine times in a row. By the way, thanks for reposting the story we’ve all read.
Mar 26th, 2008
Sorry but i feel very strongly about anything that has to do with bullies. Had to get some facts out there instead of nonsense words and misdirections like “confusing” “one sided story”. If there is something boing left out then by all means ADD IT TO THE DIALOG>
Mar 26th, 2008
The part about billy killing a cat is true
I know the kid whos cat was killed
He abuses all kinds of animals too
Mar 26th, 2008
Janice,
it is true that physical violence should not be tolerated and that it is very unusual for a kid to get beat up so many times by so many people.
so unusual in fact, that people (such as billy’s mom- a very biased source) like to blame others for the phenomenon.
but did you ever consider that billy could be the unusual one? perhaps he provokes even the most ordinary people until they absolutely cannot stand it any longer.
You say that “you know words can cut deep”, but maybe you have never encountered anyone quite like billy.
the truth is, the news is extremely biased- students of FHS and his previous school woodland jr. high should be interviewed. this could very well be a freak situation and a misunderstanding that is giving fayetteville this awful publicity. i am a student at Fayetteville high school and everyone i know feels very safe at our school. i feel like FHS does as much as it can to keep us safe.
I have heard of many horrible and unique things that billy has done to other kids- they were not just verbal abuses either. the particular abuses i have been informed of seem to me to be just as unusual as the event of a child getting beat up repeatedly.
janice, i’m afraid there’s no way that you could know enough details about this situation to have a valid opinion if you don’t go to FHS.
Mar 26th, 2008
hey gottruth,
just a heads up, what the media says may be mostly true, but they can leave out whatever information they want to- in this case, they have carefully chosen the right things to tell the public to sway the opinions of people like you.
it is true that he killed the cat. he also called a classmate’s dead mother a whore that deserved to die.
Mar 27th, 2008
Hannah: you don’t know the details either: are you Billy? are you his attacker? have you been attacked directly by Billy? I am guessing not, otherwise you would say how you directly have dealt with Billy, not what others have told you. So I guess your opinion is just as valid as mine.
Mar 27th, 2008
Wateva, if he has been abusing animals then there is surly a police report about. I mean it isnt unreasonable to assume SOMEONE WOULD HAVE REPORTED THAT TO THE POLICE!!!! Or you people just dont care about animals. I’ll be waiting for the HARD EVIDENCE of the cat thing. I have yet to see any real evidence and like i said before Anonymous post are not proof they are called Hearsay.
Sounds from the reporting that other kids just said to the other kid that billy had said something. If what you say is true you better trot the boy with th dead mother in front of the press. and please “he deserved it”? you people all sound like the parents of the little cavemen that tormented me in HS. Offer up some EVIDENCE. Like I said erlier, Their are medical reports from dentists, school bus video, cell phone video, ect ect ect. You need to stop running you mouth and prove something. No more of this “I hear from Jonny mom, who heard it from tommy brother, who went to a school with a kid in a higher grade….” That shit is laughable. I hope he cleans all of you out in this lawsuit.
Mar 27th, 2008
Animal cruelty is a crime why has this NOT BEEN REPORTED TO THE POLICE!!! WAiting to hear the excuse for that one.
Mar 27th, 2008
I know first hand who fast a rumor can spred in a small High school so all this “i heard” and “I hear” is some really weak ways of making a point. If you intend to present your side, you need to have someting more that rumors and words. Police & Doctor reports are good, so is Video casue these thing prove stuff. Hearsay is inadmisable in a court of Law, so just keep talkin. Talk to the press I bet they are dying to here the other side. Oh thats right they will want you to back up you story with EVIDENCE. like billy is able to do.
Mar 27th, 2008
No more nonsense words and misdirections like “confusing” “one sided story”. If there is something being left out then by all means ADD IT TO THE DIALOG. But please be able to other something to back its up. Talk is cheap, police and doctor reports arnt. I think i actually “sense” some of these brats and the parents swearing.
Mar 27th, 2008
You killed meeeeeeee!!!!! You killed meeeeeeee!!!!!
Wooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!
Mar 27th, 2008
“Hypothetically if this kids mother had just died, and Billy did just make fun her death to his face…what would YOU do as a school administrator given that situation?”
Expel both of their asses
Mar 27th, 2008
No i didnt kill blake you moron. I sent his ass to there hospital and then he did mess with me anymore, none of the basketball team did.
Mar 27th, 2008
But then if you new how to read your would have known that
Mar 27th, 2008
See people Zero Tolerance means BOTH kids get THE SAME PUNISHMENT.
Mar 27th, 2008
At least I died for a good causeeeeeee!!!!
So you could post on the internetttttt!!!!!
Wooooooooo!!!!!
Mar 27th, 2008
I take it you beat up Billy at school. But i’m thinking by the linear logic of you post its prolly more likely your in grad school.
Mar 27th, 2008
So we have stopped try to persuade that billy “deserves it” and gone straight to mocking. Yep you guys are pure class in Fayttvile. When you cant prove your point belittle the one who can make a point. Bully
Mar 27th, 2008
Nooooo!!!
GRAVE Schoollllll!!!!!
EEEEEEEE!!!!!!
Woooooooooo!!!!!
Mar 27th, 2008
This video proves Billy was lying: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU
Mar 27th, 2008
Just keep proving my pint please, Typical. You cant prove on word you say, but Billy can and it is eting you all up inside.
Mar 27th, 2008
Dear Got Truth,
I… I don’t know what to say. You have held up a mirror to me, and I have looked in it, and for the first time, I have questioned the glory of what I see. It took one as brave as you to open my eyes — the reflection I see needs nurturing, my sweet huggable tart, and I hope the person who can do this will be you. And so I beg you: Can you finish what you’ve started? Will you take that lint-brush to my man-suit and swipe off the fuzz of negativity that is marring its purity of color? Will you then hold my freshly plucked form against yours and swear we’ll never untwine in spirit even if we must break arms in reality?
Hoping we can knit the lint into a quilt for snuggling,
G
Mar 27th, 2008
wow, this has gotten childish. fast. I asks for proof, and i get nothing…..
Mar 27th, 2008
Dear Got Truth,
I am aglow with the promise of what might transpire here. The stunning simplicity of that request is so clearly an open plea for the comfort of my embrace. Never have I felt so needed. My purpose remains as clear to me as the first day these manly arms changed a life. Walk to the light, sweet soldier of brevity. Walk to me.
Kisses,
G
Mar 27th, 2008
It only took 23 of your posts for this to get ‘childish fast’
Wooooooo!!!!!
Eeeeeeee!!!!!
Moan!!!!!!!
Mar 27th, 2008
This story, whether covered fairly or not, has stirred up a lot of coverage on the Net and TV because people who were bullied while growing up can identify with the victim. As a victim of bullying during my Junior and Senior High school years, I certainly will be watching this case very closely. It will be a victory for bully victims everywhere if he eventually wins the lawsuit. During my High School graduation, I was booed by several kids when I went on stage to receive my diploma. They just couldn’t resist to get in one more final taunt before we all went our separate ways. At that point, I vowed to never attend any of my High School reunions. They say time heals all wounds, but psychological and emotional scars linger long after the physical wounds have healed.
Mar 27th, 2008
Still dont see any proof for bully being the bully. and My post are not condescending drivel. Wish i could say the same for yours…..
Mar 27th, 2008
One, just on police reports on Billy doing something to someone. So much hate for no reason…..
Mar 27th, 2008
GotTruth: Two posts above you say that there’s no proof for “bully being the bully.” What does that even mean?
Mar 27th, 2008
Ghost, you can goad me into saying something vile. I am to level headed. I live in a world of fact. Either come up with some provable facts or face up that your lying though your teeth about this kid.
To Billy and his parents: If were you I would Petition the Judge at your first hearing for a Change of Venue. Its obvious that you will likely not get a fair hearing in or around this town. I have sneaking suspicion that one of the families to be named in the lawsuit either work or have friends/family that work for this “paper”. The “reporting” in these articles reads like a Highschool paper.
Mar 27th, 2008
Sorry ment it to read “billy being Bullied”
Mar 27th, 2008
and i left out “the” in that response. I need to take a break.
Mar 27th, 2008
GotTruth- This is not a “paper.” It is an opinion-based blog. None of us are professional writers or journalists (and it definitely shows). We tend to be biased, unprofessional, vile, insensitive, incorrect, juvenile…hell, you name it.
Nine times out of ten, we have already made up our mind what we think before we even write a story. On this particular subject, however, we have no idea what to believe. Our goal was to notify our readers about the situation and see if a debate would ensue in the comments. Fortunately a debate did start and you are certainly a part of it. In fact, if we had an award for the most comments, you would definitely win the trophy. Unfortunately, the trophy would probably be a leftover sandwich or something equally as crappy. Bummer.
If you are looking for a less-biased news site, you can check out some of the online versions of our local newspapers here: NWAnews.com, ArkansasOnline and NWAonline.net.
Thanks for stopping by…and by…and by…and by…
Mar 27th, 2008
GoT - What facts do you require of me? That I am the ghost of some jock at your school? How could I be lying about this kid when I have completely been off topic the entire time, only posting nonsense to have a little fun with your bad grammer and obvious trolling.
I actually agree with one of your more legible posts, that both parties should have been suspended in a fight.
Saying that there is more to the story does not equate sympathy for the attackers. They are no less guilty.
Perhaps his parents and the media are kinda playing the bully card out of turn. It still doesn’t justify or excuse the use of violence. It also does not excuse the administration and faculty for not being more pro-active in stopping this situation. It is just another side of the story…you know, the Truth?
Things in the real world are almost never as black and white as they are painted on tv. Sucks, I know - sure makes it more apt for serious discussion when this is acknowledged.
Stop polarizing things and putting words into everyones’ mouth, just so you can create drama / arguments.
Hit the power button on your ‘world of truth’ every once and a while.
oh, yeah:
OOOOOOO!!!
EEEEEE!!!!!
Mar 27th, 2008
Honestly, nothing here is being overblown. If it hasn’t stopped, it means nothing EFFECTIVE has been done to take care of this problem. Who deserves this torment? I mean we all go through it once or twice but CONSTANTLY? Who has the right to take the joy of someone’s school years? NO ONE. It’s ridiculous, and I’ve passed on the stories to higher places hoping Billy will get something good out of all of this.
Mar 27th, 2008
Actually I only think Billy should have been suspended if he REALLY DID say those thing to the kid. If he didnt, he doesn’t warrant the suspension. I dont think the kid defending himself needs to be punished just the twat who starts the fight.
Mar 27th, 2008
Why are we not taught things in school that have bearing on society, instead of just being fed requirements for passing the next regurgitation test?
Things like how to balance a checkbook, how not to live outside of your means, how to deal with peer presure, dealing with bullies, excercises on thinking for yourself and expressing yourself, and on and on - these may sound strange or off topic, but stay with me here - Check those books in our classrooms across our country and see what we are taught: War and violence - whoever wins writes the history books - history is taught in our schools as a connect-the-dots from one war and invasion to the next. How do you solve a conflict? Bombs and bullets. Don’t worry, you don’t even need to open a book; Look at the mess our nation is in now. This same scenario is played out on smaller scales everyday on the streets and in everyclassroom in the US.
I’m not making excuses for anybody here - just something to think on.
You can play the blame game eternal. Solution is sacred, though.
Nothing will change as long as we are taught that conflicts are solved and ‘won’ with violence, and Peace is just the space between wars.
Mar 27th, 2008
gottruth, you say you want evidence, but there’s no way to get evidence from either side due to student privacy policies at school. all we can do at this point is draw conclusions from what we see. you have drawn yours based on the television. i have a view from the inside based on the things that my brother has seen him do while in a class with him. spitting on kids for example and laughing. if that wouldnt make you want to beat someone up then you cant be human.
there’s no way anyone can let the media know that billy could be lying because the media too caught up with supporting him right now.
Mar 28th, 2008
Hanna we have evidence, of billys side(medical, dental records, and the tape the little cavemen have made of their actions). I want you to back up billy being the bully.
Mar 28th, 2008
Dont know what was better about that video, the gang tags on the yelow sign or the Scumm bag caveman kid how says “I hope he doesnt come back. Cause if he does, (pause) Hes not gunna have any fun” Like he was before? And i also love how now one could give a first had account, just alot of “well i hear”, or “I’ve heard”. LOL. They are pure class in HateVile AR.
Mar 28th, 2008
Innernets Troll ^^^^^^^
Mar 30th, 2008
SOUNDS LIKE THE PARENTS HAD RATHER ARGUE BACK AND FORTH ABOUT WHOS RIGHT AND WHO DESERVES WHAT THAN TO FACE THE FACT THERES A PROBLEM WITH BEING BULLIED AND BEAT ON….. TALK TO THE KIDS AND TELL THEM ITS WRONG!!!BE A ROLE MODEL FOR THESE CHILDREN….
Mar 30th, 2008
Let’s see… over 100 comments and nobody seems to wonder who these little shits are that continue to dog Billy. Instead of arguing among yourselves, or with yourself (GT), why don’t you find out who the little shits are and go after them. We all know what they have done is wrong. I don’t believe for a minute this is Billy’s fault. But that doesn’t matter. What matters is who are these little shits? GO AFTER THEM!
Mar 30th, 2008
good god, gottruth, i dont know where you live, but it sounds like the true hateville. the bottom line is, fayetteville high does NOT have a bully problem. i go to school there EVERY FREAKIN DAY and i know first hand. this school district is the best in arkansas. we have high test scores, and a million extra activities. even if what billy says is true, it’s an EXTREMELY UNUSUAL SITUATION, get it?
one of the reasons why i think billy must be lying is because NOTHING like this ever happens to anyone that doesnt provoke it at FHS.
i will tell you AGAIN, i do believe that he was beat up, i know there is evidence for that, but it is MUCH HARDER to get evidence that he provoked those attacks because the news is on billys side and there is such a thing as student privacy so we cant know everything about those fights!!!!!! so stop asking me for evidence again like a hard head. jeez.
Mar 30th, 2008
i LIVE at this school. im gonna know more than you do. that’s just how it is. there’s no possible way you could have more first hand knowledge than me while your sittin up there in Massachusetts or god knows where.
Mar 30th, 2008
and a good school like FHS does NOT deserve all of this negative publicity that may not be valid. we do not deserve the hundreds of hate mail and threats that we are receiving. it’s really starting to make me feel uncomfortable at school more than anything.
and the principal that supposedly said that he couldnt do anything about billy’s situation (completely untrue), just last month, he saw me crying in the hallway and invited me to just sit and talk and calm down for an entire class period before going back to class.
if that’s not dedication, i dont know what is.
Mar 31st, 2008
Speaketh not of hate, but of love my children.
Long live the Flyer.
Peace,
God
Apr 4th, 2008
@Hannah, I’m on your side. This IS a great town and I work in the school system (not a teacher) and have only the highest regard for the administration (doing the right thing). My daughter (one grade behind Billy) confirms the “second hand knowledge”.
Police reports are out in print, see some of the summary at the nwanews website http://nwanews.com/nwat/News/63772/
Lastly, I’d kick the crap outta that boy if he dissed my mother!
Apr 15th, 2008
In response to Hannah stating that Billy somehow “provoked the physical attacks” That is as logical an argument as saying that a rape victim somehow “asked for it” by dressing in a short skirt or by acting promiscuous in the past. Get the messages? No one,absolutely NO ONE has any right to use physical force on anyone except in self defense.
Like Janice, I am sick of this blame the victim mentality. Blaming the victim is simply an excuse for the wrongdoer,ie the bully, not accepting responsiblity for their actions. Fayetteville, it is clear from the evidence (the videos, the websites.) that Billy is indeed being bullied. A child’s life is at stake and all you care about is protecting your town’s blessed reputation.