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Appeal tabled: Shave the Planet can stay through the summer

  • by Todd Gill, Flyer Staff
    on July 5, 2012 at 1:41 pm

Customers congregate outside the Shave the Planet shaved ice stand at 3078 N. College Ave. last month in Fayetteville.

Photo: Todd Gill

As mentioned in Tuesday night’s City Council recap, Shave the Planet can stay in business at a parking lot on College Avenue after all.

City Council members voted unanimously to table an appeal that would have overturned a recent Planning Commission decision to allow Eric Siebert to operate his popular shaved ice stand for an extra 90 days at 3078 N. College Avenue.

The appeal – filed at the request of Tracy Hoskins, whose wife owns a Maggie Moo’s franchise across the street – was based on the notion that Shave the Planet had an unfair advantage over the brick and mortar ice cream shop by operating for an extended period of time at the same location.

The arguments

The following arguments were made by Hoskins, Siebert and Ben Israel, who owns the parking lot where Shave the Planet operates.

Hoskins: By offering ice cream, sherbets and milkshakes, Shave the Planet is not just a similar business, but rather, it’s identical – in some respects – to Maggie Moo’s.
Siebert: Ice cream, sherbet and milkshakes are just toppings added to the shaved ice products and they’re not very popular.

Hoskins: Shaved ice stands are like half-price flower vendors who set up across the street from established florists and pick the low-hanging fruit on holidays like Mother’s Day and Valentine’s Day.
Siebert: The seasonal aspect is what makes Shave the Planet so different from Maggie Moo’s. Shaved ice is sold from an outdoor, walk-up stand, and ice cream is sold inside a restaurant.
Israel: I’ve been renting my parking lot to shaved ice vendors in the summer for 17 years. It’s nothing Maggie Moo’s didn’t know before opening an ice cream shop across the street.

Hoskins: Shaved ice stand owners aren’t subject to the same level of initial costs, expenses, property taxes and general overhead as brick and mortar owners.
Siebert: Shave the Planet has several costs that Maggie Moo’s doesn’t including year-round storage of stands, and daily transportation of supplies and water.
Israel: Business owners who are tenants don’t necessarily pay property taxes. Those are paid for by the property owner.

Hoskins: By continuing to obtain extended mobile vendor permits for the same location, Shave the Planet is not a mobile business, but rather, it’s clearly a semi-permanent business. Please address the inconsistencies in the ordinance.
Siebert: I agree the rules might need to be changed, but please don’t make us move in the middle of our season.

The decision

The decision was actually more of a non-decision.

Council members agreed that while the case did present some valid concerns about the current mobile vendor ordinance, it wouldn’t be fair to make a judgement at this time considering that there are some major changes just around the corner.

As reported last month, Ward 2 Alderman Matthew Petty is currently working to draft a completely new mobile vendor ordinance that should address several issues at hand.

Petty said the ordinance will likely require more upfront work from private property owners who wish to rent space to mobile vendors. Those requirements could include things like showing proof that the location can properly handle electric, water, sewer, and other required needs.

The new ordinance is expected to be ready sometime next month.

The council will revisit the issue at the first scheduled meeting in September.

 

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  1. rickyallen2 says:
    Thursday, Jul 5, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    It’s pretty clear who Fayetteville wants when you drive by and see the lines. There is always a line of 10-15 people at Shave the Planet and maybe 1 or 2 at Maggie Moos.

  2. Innarested Observer says:
    Thursday, Jul 5, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    Last night the ratio was about 100-3

  3. Scott says:
    Thursday, Jul 5, 2012 at 2:30 pm

    Sucks to suck, Maggie Moos. Shaved ice stands are a staple across the country during the summer. Taking it away isn’t going to make people want you’re ice cream anymore, it’s a different product.

  4. Mrs. M says:
    Thursday, Jul 5, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    If Maggie Moo feels threatened, maybe they need to figure out a way to better compete? How about setting up their own outdoor walk up shop and serve something that people want? Or, figure out a way that would make people come to their restaurant more rewarding than going to Shave the Planet? Welcome to America! Love this country!!

  5. vandelay says:
    Thursday, Jul 5, 2012 at 6:56 pm

    As someone who has picked fruit for a living, I can confirm that picking the low-hanging stuff is more profitable, and iit also makes the other fruit-pickers upset.

  6. Vanilla Ice says:
    Thursday, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:59 pm

    Bodacious

  7. kvnbbn says:
    Friday, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    Where can we review the draft of changes Mr. Petty is proposing?

    • Innarested Observer says:
      Friday, Jul 6, 2012 at 1:17 pm

      kvn, he’s still working on them. I believe the goal is to have something closer to completion by the time of the September meeting.

    • mpetty says:
      Friday, Jul 6, 2012 at 4:48 pm

      @kvnbbn – Innarested Observer is right. We’ve nailed down most of the conceptual stuff but there is a lot to write before we’re ready to release a draft. The hardest part is coming up with a fair system for opening up publicly-owned space to mobile vendors.

  8. kvnbbn says:
    Friday, Jul 6, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    OK, very interested in reading the draft. How much time will there be for public comment / input on the changes before it is voted on by the CC?

    • mpetty says:
      Saturday, Jul 7, 2012 at 7:55 am

      At least a month. It will go through Ordinance Review Committee and the Planning Commission before making it to the Council. I’ve also promised to bring the draft to the Fayetteville Food Carts group for their comments, so the Ordinance Review Committee can have their suggestions to consider.

      The Flyer has been following this very closely, and I’d bet you’ll see something about it here as soon as a draft is ready.

      • Innarested Observer says:
        Saturday, Jul 7, 2012 at 12:00 pm

        Mr. Petty has taken numerous, countless shots on this forum, but I for one, as a resident of Ward 2, am delighted that he has brought his thoughtful and dedicated service to the council.

  9. AMP says:
    Saturday, Jul 7, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    My family had never eaten at shave the planet until we read the article about this in the paper. It is our new favorite place! We won’t be eating at Maggie Moo’s again since we think capitalism and free enterprise and competition is what makes this country great.

    • at falley says:
      Saturday, Jul 7, 2012 at 10:19 pm

      Providing free publicity to your competition — what business model is Maggie’s using?

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